I guess buying a replacement drive belt for my L130 was a bad idea? my john deere L130 mower is sitting in my storage building for the past three years. Came across this blog and am wondering if the Tuff Torq kit will work on the LX176 tractor I have. I wish I could buy another. I can buy an LX277 2000 model with 320 hours on the clock. So to be told i need to replace a transmission on a used tractor i paid $1200 for doesn’t sit well. No way! Looks like ill be buyting anew mower…. Sounds like the infamous K46 failure. B-U-T….with the rear tires still jacked up I “dry ran” the tractor. I also have a John Deere LT150 andLT155! Upon going down a slight grade and turning to go back up it would make a grinding noise and slow down. How Does the 25th Amendment Work — and When Should It Be Enacted? I have a L118 John Deere, it does the same thing, loss of power, spend money to service it and still loses power. 7. 4) Fill the oil can with the proper oil, snake the neoprene tubing into the transaxle and pump oil into the transaxle, as required. My oh my how I wish I had stumbled upon this website prior to my L130 purchase. Firstly thanks to all who have participated in these discussions as it convinced me to have a go at upgrading my LT150. I expect I will be looking to replace the tranny with the tuff torq k46 for a 1:1 exchange – it looks like all of the replacements you can buy from the website have tranny oil tanks on top which I presume means refillable elements. The average consumer can not afford commercial grade equipment. It took two of us 5 hours (seemed like half that) to remove and install the new Hydrostatic transmission and what a feeling of accomplishment! Thanks for any info. (refill it! But, I soon found that the tractor was moving extremely slow in the yard too. will handle it? My L120 is going on 12 years of abuse now and still runs quite well. I also used a lot of paper towels to clean any remaining fluid and grit, being careful not to dislodge any parts. Wish me luck; John Deere doesn’t have any sympathy for any of us! So I don’t know where my upgrade stands at this point. To no avail. Now off to make the decision of spending more money on my LA 150 which may only cause the next weakest link/part to fail or shell out serious case for a new “Garden Tractor” vs. In cars, even a 10 year, 100,000 mile drive train warranty is becoming standard. When i do driveways for xtra gas money and have a few contracts who ALREADY PAID ME FOR THE SEASON??? I am truly disappointed in the JD line as many of the others have posted here. I was fearful that they used the same transmission and I’d be in the same boat. I have an old Scott’s John Deere s1642 with a hydrostatic transmission. Was told it couldn’t be done. Grass is coming up in one month. I would like to have my name put on the class action petition. However, if you spend a few grand more, we can look at these units in the high end section.”, It’s like a truck… You might not have enough to buy a top of the line model, but you still expect your truck to last, right? Regards, New 46BE should be here Monday. It would not work! Roger, please hurry, and please try to keep it relatively inexpensive. John Deere dealer Gabe me a quote to change the tranny for $1000. Will never, ever consider John Deere for anything in future. Suggestions? After many conversations with a customer service rep, I was offered $200 toward the $700 tuff torq replacement job. these transaxle/transmissions get quite hot, thats the purpose of the fan. It will NOT require repairing/rebuilding every 200 hours. What a disappointment, it is even worse than ever before…. Compared to the vastly expensive units that they sell for commercial use, there is none. Man oh man, a replacement kit, $1,700 really!!!! I have the same issue. Let me guess .. that wont happen because it will effect your bonus and stock options for a year or two correct? They were supposed to be the best No more John Deere mowers or Lowe’s extended warranty’s for me.. L-130 John Deere. But, enough of our time has been wasted. No mower, no harrow. I would love to upgrade it but the cost is high. It still is not as strong as it was originally. Anyway, I have made sure I tell everyone I talk to about the new John Deere junk. I bought a cub cadet and spent over 4 grand. Called JD again and asked why there was no way to regularly change the fluid I given the run around after asking for an inside schematic of the transaxle. My first k66c went out at 125 hours. 3) Can I run the mower with out the fan for a limited time? About $8000 We understand that is a high price, but from our personal experience and the feedback from prior customers, by installing the K66 Upgrade, you basically get the same as the JD G110 Garden Tractor. Don’t feel bad Jens, when you say you are thinking of tearing the transmission apart, that got me thinking how fun it would be to take pictures of mine! (I am disappointed that a “John Deere” brand tractor didn’t hold up longer against the hilly terrain I am faced with). Ps: There is NO certainty that ANY additional K66’s will be available. But before I invest a thousand dollars I was wondering why can’t a person just add fluid to the transmission. Uh huh. But when the number of comments I’m seeing, and having experience the exact same problem, you can only conclude the products are defective. When I finished the upgrade I immediately mowed my lawn and when I was done…..believe it or not…..I was sad that I was DONE!!!!! Just went along nice and smooth. I too have the John Deere L120 and also have spent money for both of the belts because I can not pull the hills in my yard after the mower gets hot I have to let it cool down about 30 minutes or so. I have followed your thoughts and I am of exactly like mind. Hello Dennis, as for difficultly, it wasn’t really hard, just time consuming. Can’t believe a realativly new mower can’t pull itself. In the end, it depends on the cost of the upgrade kit and the price of a mower that will do the job correctly, which is not a John Deere! I purchased a used L120 for $650 from my neighbor. In 2011 the cutting deck welds broke causing the deck to crack and a deck wheel to brake off completely. The other thing they keep doing is changing the model numbers to mislead people in thinking that the previous models have been discontinued and lead you to believe you are getting an all new improved model. You call and ask a question and get a “we haven’t heard of that problem, must be specific to YOUR mower” we can pick it up and look at it for $60.00 or you can bring it in (to sit for two months). This mower has had many other problems prior to the failure of the K46. The dealers push these mowers as perfect for the home, yet they burn out fast. The engine is running fine and the mower deck was working great but it wouldn’t pull itself. kcir. How do they get by with this? It has been serviced by John Deere every year I have owned it (which by now I could have a nice Zero Turn for the cost of the oil changes/services). Told them about this sight and suggested they take a look. Roger did send me this however: REGARDING THE REVERSE LOCK-OUT SWITCH: (Step #14,) If you decide not to reconnect the switch, as most elect, secure the switch inside the frame, as the instructions indicate. Riding Mower. he put in new trans for $500. If your tractor is old like mine then you’ll end up replacing other items soon. I replaced the o ring and the leak is resolved, but now I really dont want to pull out the tranny to add fluid. Should I change this oil for new stuff, and do I have to worry about this transmission failing again? I have two JD mowers both running well ( but remember Yellow and Green is expensive to maintain). Its sitting at the dealership right now torn apart. For that much money I am willing to take it apart myself, change out the fluid and put it back together to see if it works or not. It just stops climbing hills after about 15 minutes. Nothing runs Like a Deere? Everyone always told me JD was the best, and that was why it cost more. As for the tranny I have never been a fan of hydrostatic. Next tighten the two nuts that hold the trunnion in the correct position. Does anyone else have this problem? Since I used that door-lock button, it was easy for me to simply cut the top of the wire to proper length and “hot-glue” it to the button… that is my new “dip-stick. My local JD dealer said he would install it if I bought it. ), (Ken, I used cinder blocks and some 2 x 4’s to block up the tractor. All my life I knew JD was the machine I would buy for myself. I bought it because it was a JD and because it was made, or should I say assembled in my home state of TN. Snowblowing with that inept K46 tranny JD elected to put into this lawn machine was ridiculous. With all the poor starving lawyers out there, someone is missing the chance of a lifetime for a class-action lawsuit against John Deere. look like that supposedly drive the tractor. Almost every time we buy parts, the price is higher! L130 with 200+ hours won’t pull itself on flat ground after running for 20 minutes. Disposable junk that’s not meant to last. Here’s my similar story: the L2048 is the predecessor of the John Deere L series by one year – it has John Deere written in small print on it and has a orange/gray color scheme vs. green/yellow – otherwise, they’re identical. I have never, no never towed anything with it. I don’t feel too bad though, I found this lawn mower at the Pawn Shop and didn’t feel like I got anything other than a pretty good deal. Great! I’m not too confident I’ll notice much of a change? It is a real Deere with a Kawasaki engine so I don’t want to hear any nonsense from JOHN or others saying that you get what you pay for. I have a D170, same issue with the K46 transmission. I learned the “hard way” that after some hours of operation, the wheel lug nuts need to be torqued again. Start engine and adjust the throttle for high idle speed (full throttle). Thanks a lot will. This morning (Wednesday) I installed the tires as Roger said. I personally think they are junk and a wate of time. What ever happened to quality control? Changing the oil did not help. No, I was surprised NOT to see “Made in China”. i’m the guy that has put together the John Deere K66 Upgrade Kits for the JD L130/L120 and several other models. My next mower will be a zero turn style. I Have a JD 212 tractor which I bought new in1972 , it still runs very well , I’ve used the roto tiler, snow blade , mower , pull cart , spray trailer ! It had a manual transmission that was a pain to shift but that tractor kept mowing year after year after year. this is a shame, for years i worked on a farm and was constantly around JD Equipment, and never ran into this sort of poor quality and workmanship. In the meantime will keep an eye out for an old Farmall with belly mower and use it on the majority of acreage. Soon you will have several choices for virtually all tractor models: 1) K66 Upgrade, which will be the right choice for most people. This kind of tractor is definitely highly recommended if it is put They were more interested in getting me into a new mower rather than fixing what I have. I am very pleased with the kit and I can now mow my whole yard without stopping. After having read Jame’s May 25h post, has anyone had the urge to try filling their k46 transaxle to see if it works as he has described. For the $665 I hope I can get 5 or 6 years out of this tranny. I will “NEVER” recommend any John Deere product to anyone and I hope they and their, CHINESE PARTNERS, all go bankrupt. My mower is losing power, even on small hills, changed transmission belt thinking this would alleviate the problem. It would run good for a half hour then it wouldn’t go up a grade. so here is there deer john letter. Ps: Anyone ready for a Fully Electric, Solar rechargeable, conversion? My answer was to replace it with a vintage JD 212, 38″ with snow blade from the 70’s for $450 and since I love that old beast and it gets the job done, I just added a vintage JD 216 with the pulley for a snowblower for here in PA, it cost $550. Same problem as everyone else on my LA140. I found a guy who has 3 used trannys at $150 each so if the oil change doesn’t work I will probably get one of the used trannys and hope I get a few more years service out of it. I’m very please with the result as well as my interfaces with Roger. BTW, I was surprised not to see “Made in China” on the X-mission? I have heard that you can drill a hole through the battery tray to get to a fill plug. It was neatly packaged and numbered and came with a manual that had step by step instructions much better than anything you would get from JD! otherwise great machine) I sure hope we can get a recall and some peace of mind, after all this is the good old USA right. Looking at the order he said to look on the next page of the instruction and i’d see that my upgrade required washers (as spacers which were included) instead. My JD L-120 does the same thing, it quicks pulling when it gets hot. Sorry, I’m only responding now to your March 4th message. If I had let events run their course it most certainly would have resulted in a $800 bill for a replacement transmission that would ultimately have the same problem again. So my word of warning, do not make it do the work of a tractor. I parked mower and check the underneath, sure enough, hydro fluid leaking. If the transmission oil is too cold, it can result in the machine not working correctly. So far, I highly recommend the upgrade! I have removed the deck and seat but I guess everything needs to come off in order to expose the fulcrum. thanks. I am experiancing the same transmission problem with my L120. It ruined the tranny almost immediately. the kit I bought for $978 is now about $1,618! If you are still putting a class action suit together, sign me up. Match up the oil can with the tubing. Let me know about the law suit. Sign me up for the class action lawsuit. I am not buying a transmission for more than what I paid for the mower. Cutting time for me was about 25 min. My L110A started do the same things everyone else is complaining about. If in doubt, just ask to make sure it’s has the K66. I’ve used it to move snow, and the occasional hayride thing as well. Everything was just as all who has installed the upgrade had stated. Add me to the list. If you think you might want an Upgrade Kit for your JD Lxxx/LAxxx tractor, please don’t wait until they are all gone. This junk was breaking down even before that, tires losing air, the deck had a weak point that broke, the fuse will burn out constantly. I had my son add a lttle pedal while I push on the belt and it actually moved forward so I’m hoping its just a loose belt. Some PR person sent me a form letter telling me how great their product was, that they had complete confidence in it, and how sorry they were that I was disappointed in it. Hi – this is directed to Roger and Tony from Australia (if you still check this forum). Mine has a shaft with an eccentric cam lobe on it that is used to adjust the transition from forward to reverse; I believe the TuffTorq catalog calls this the fulcrum. By far, the most common reason for hydrostatic transmission failure is old hydraulic fluid. BRAKES ARE NOT WORKING PROPERLY: This is a simple solution. I will NEVER buy a JD product again. We have contacted Tuff Torq and agreed to purchased ALL of their remaining new K66’s. I re installed it on my tractor, crossed my fingers and fired it up. I still mow my lawn with a 45 year old (yes 1970) variable drive 10HP craftsman lawn tractor. 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